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By someone on Dec. 2nd, 2011 6:24PM
******** it seems the blue screen is currently occurring most in chrome. Things seem to be ok for me in Firefox. Chrome's built in flash plugin has also been the culprit in changing replay accuracy. Until we know exactly what's up, use Firefox **********
Hello friends,
It's Friday at 1:30 pm, possibly our busiest time, and the site seems to be working pretty well. That hasn't happened in a while. It is most likely due to Adura fixing some level caching bug that was broken at some point in time by someone (very possibly me). We HAVE noticed this blue screen bug occasionally when loading levels, so we are trying to fix that now.
Yesterday I gathered a group of friends and we did some voice recording. Mine came out terrible, but that's ok as I'm already wheelchair guy and irresponsible dad (so I still feel cool). We have several new sets of screams and grunts now, so reused character voices can be replaced. The new character will also have it's own set.
We are in a new office space, so I have to find all new lunch spots. I will make an attempt now.
By someone on Dec. 2nd, 2011 6:24PM
******** it seems the blue screen is currently occurring most in chrome. Things seem to be ok for me in Firefox. Chrome's built in flash plugin has also been the culprit in changing replay accuracy. Until we know exactly what's up, use Firefox **********
Hello friends,
It's Friday at 1:30 pm, possibly our busiest time, and the site seems to be working pretty well. That hasn't happened in a while. It is most likely due to Adura fixing some level caching bug that was broken at some point in time by someone (very possibly me). We HAVE noticed this blue screen bug occasionally when loading levels, so we are trying to fix that now.
Yesterday I gathered a group of friends and we did some voice recording. Mine came out terrible, but that's ok as I'm already wheelchair guy and irresponsible dad (so I still feel cool). We have several new sets of screams and grunts now, so reused character voices can be replaced. The new character will also have it's own set.
We are in a new office space, so I have to find all new lunch spots. I will make an attempt now.
By Udie on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:42PM
@PhysX Some of the stuff you're saying doesn't make sense. But I think you realize that. Anyways, what we mean when we say, 'TJF is ded.' Is, that all the levels being produced by the people that play this gamer are [b]shit.[/b] Don't deny it, you can't, you know you can't. As for the 'porn' being posted, we realize that, and we will stop, seriously. As for the memes, they're just added there for extra 'lulz,' or if you want to be serious, 'laughs.' And the random pictures being posted, I don't see why we can't, it's not like we're trying to set an example. And half of the pictures being posted [u]have a point[/u], and aren't there just because. Yes, there is Ivan's 'Sup' picture he posted a couple times, but that's no excuse to delete all of them. And I believe I posted a picture that had a point to it, but you [u]deleted?[/u] And really? Deleting rage comics, just because? Where's you're class, they're there just to make some people laugh. If having a few things that make others laugh is a sin, you might as well ban all of us. And I doubt Jim actually goes through his e-mail, so don't give me that. We don't feel like you're a cocky bastard, we feel that you are doing a bad job at being moderator. You don't spend time browsing levels, and you spend more time on a damn news post. Last time I remember, the forum consisted of [b]General[/b] [b]Suggestions[/b] [b]Happy Wheels[/b] [b]Divine Intervention[/b] [b]Bugs[/b] [Correct me if I'm wrong.] [i]I don't see a forum, so I believe, that we can use this news post as our forum, for now. If there's a problem with that, just let me know. Or let redirect me to a forum that consists of the same amount of people, and will discuss the same thing.[/i]
@PhysX Some of the stuff you're saying doesn't make sense. But I think you realize that. Anyways, what we mean when we say, 'TJF is ded.' Is, that all the levels being produced by the people that play this gamer are [b]shit.[/b] Don't deny it, you can't, you know you can't. As for the 'porn' being posted, we realize that, and we will stop, seriously. As for the memes, they're just added there for extra 'lulz,' or if you want to be serious, 'laughs.' And the random pictures being posted, I don't see why we can't, it's not like we're trying to set an example. And half of the pictures being posted [u]have a point[/u], and aren't there just because. Yes, there is Ivan's 'Sup' picture he posted a couple times, but that's no excuse to delete all of them. And I believe I posted a picture that had a point to it, but you [u]deleted?[/u] And really? Deleting rage comics, just because? Where's you're class, they're there just to make some people laugh. If having a few things that make others laugh is a sin, you might as well ban all of us. And I doubt Jim actually goes through his e-mail, so don't give me that. We don't feel like you're a cocky bastard, we feel that you are doing a bad job at being moderator. You don't spend time browsing levels, and you spend more time on a damn news post. Last time I remember, the forum consisted of [b]General[/b] [b]Suggestions[/b] [b]Happy Wheels[/b] [b]Divine Intervention[/b] [b]Bugs[/b] [Correct me if I'm wrong.] [i]I don't see a forum, so I believe, that we can use this news post as our forum, for now. If there's a problem with that, just let me know. Or let redirect me to a forum that consists of the same amount of people, and will discuss the same thing.[/i]
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:48PM
You don't have to proof read, this is the internet, not Grammar Nazi Penatentry where they have guns to your head, and will blow your brains out if you get a mistake, and look, I spelled Penatentary wrong, ha, I did it again, but nobody cares.
You don't have to proof read, this is the internet, not Grammar Nazi Penatentry where they have guns to your head, and will blow your brains out if you get a mistake, and look, I spelled Penatentary wrong, ha, I did it again, but nobody cares.
By ivanskaterxD5 on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:49PM
Internet includes Grammar Nazi's, your argument is invalid.
Internet includes Grammar Nazi's, your argument is invalid.
By DevilGang69 on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:52PM
You never insulted physx? @safety. hahahalolololol [img]http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i400/trotterski/safetytalksshit.png[/img]
You never insulted physx? @safety. hahahalolololol [img]http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i400/trotterski/safetytalksshit.png[/img]
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:54PM
See? This is exactly why people like PhysX think your a nuisance, including the group that formed on xat, witch I refer to as douchebags, and PhysX is a great moderator, do you think he'll read 1,000 pages of levels a day to block out the porn, and stolen ones? No. Of course you don't. Argument invalid? Get new material, you bore me with old internet phrases.
See? This is exactly why people like PhysX think your a nuisance, including the group that formed on xat, witch I refer to as douchebags, and PhysX is a great moderator, do you think he'll read 1,000 pages of levels a day to block out the porn, and stolen ones? No. Of course you don't. Argument invalid? Get new material, you bore me with old internet phrases.
By ivanskaterxD5 on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:57PM
Stolen ones?, the Sup pic was created by me, why niggas dont get it.
Stolen ones?, the Sup pic was created by me, why niggas dont get it.
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:57PM
DevilGang69,I never meant that, I was a trolling dick, but now *you're* The trolling dick, Udie, out of all of you, is the only one who is actaully talking out of intelligence, rather than your intelect of a child.
DevilGang69,I never meant that, I was a trolling dick, but now *you're* The trolling dick, Udie, out of all of you, is the only one who is actaully talking out of intelligence, rather than your intelect of a child.
By ivanskaterxD5 on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:58PM
Stolen ones?, the Sup pic was created by me, why niggas dont get it.
Stolen ones?, the Sup pic was created by me, why niggas dont get it.
By DevilGang69 on Dec. 9th, 2011 8:59PM
lololololol On physx's dick you are sucking, at your comments i am chuckling. HOHOHO
lololololol On physx's dick you are sucking, at your comments i am chuckling. HOHOHO
By Udie on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:02PM
PhysX is barely even moderating, Maybe if he did something, people will finally get that they're making [u]shit.[/u] And I don't understand your 'Group formed on xat' comment, but I'll guess that you mean that the moderators were [i]internet bullies.[/i] The truth is Safety, you could be sometimes annoying. That's why we ignored/banned you. Now I suggest we get off this topic, apparently it's frowned upon in a news post. [img]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k608/lolwut18/time.jpg[/img] inb4 post gets deleted, because it's not relevant.
PhysX is barely even moderating, Maybe if he did something, people will finally get that they're making [u]shit.[/u] And I don't understand your 'Group formed on xat' comment, but I'll guess that you mean that the moderators were [i]internet bullies.[/i] The truth is Safety, you could be sometimes annoying. That's why we ignored/banned you. Now I suggest we get off this topic, apparently it's frowned upon in a news post. [img]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k608/lolwut18/time.jpg[/img] inb4 post gets deleted, because it's not relevant.
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:02PM
I won't bother. It's not important to respond to things like that, you're nobody, a moron, and a creep that posts scat 88 porn, I have no time to deal with you, because the internet isn't real, it's just a place where people play games, look up information, and talk to friends, not knowing who your talking to is sort of untrusting, but not until you get to know them, but you DG, you aren't worth the breath.
I won't bother. It's not important to respond to things like that, you're nobody, a moron, and a creep that posts scat 88 porn, I have no time to deal with you, because the internet isn't real, it's just a place where people play games, look up information, and talk to friends, not knowing who your talking to is sort of untrusting, but not until you get to know them, but you DG, you aren't worth the breath.
By ivanskaterxD5 on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:05PM
Basically internet is real because you, as a human, can use it, feel it, again, your argument is invalid.
Basically internet is real because you, as a human, can use it, feel it, again, your argument is invalid.
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:07PM
No, what I'm saying is, when you sit in front of a screen, you don't feel true sadness in bullying, it's more like embarrassment, of you, not the person being. If you were right in front of my face, you wouldn't say the things you do, Udie, "we", are we going to wonderland with lollypops and candy bars? I don't know what you're talking about, if you mean DevilGang, and Ivan, I'm not stopping you.
No, what I'm saying is, when you sit in front of a screen, you don't feel true sadness in bullying, it's more like embarrassment, of you, not the person being. If you were right in front of my face, you wouldn't say the things you do, Udie, "we", are we going to wonderland with lollypops and candy bars? I don't know what you're talking about, if you mean DevilGang, and Ivan, I'm not stopping you.
By Udie on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:10PM
Safety, take a break from the internet. [b]You're making yourself look like a fool, in some peoples opinions'.[/b] Regards, [i]Udie.[/i]
Safety, take a break from the internet. [b]You're making yourself look like a fool, in some peoples opinions'.[/b] Regards, [i]Udie.[/i]
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:13PM
Udie, no. no. no. Ivan, that's not what I'm trying to explain, you can obviously not apprehend what I'm saying, maybe if you paid attention in physics, Spelling, and Language, you'd understand how people talk. Here, I'll translate that in your language. u sux, makes no cents you deek, i hate u and weesh u could undarstaand wut im sayin boi
Udie, no. no. no. Ivan, that's not what I'm trying to explain, you can obviously not apprehend what I'm saying, maybe if you paid attention in physics, Spelling, and Language, you'd understand how people talk. Here, I'll translate that in your language. u sux, makes no cents you deek, i hate u and weesh u could undarstaand wut im sayin boi
By ivanskaterxD5 on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:16PM
You said im 12 and im mexican so, I can be a dick to you since you actually think I am.
You said im 12 and im mexican so, I can be a dick to you since you actually think I am.
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:18PM
Actually, that was not a smart thing to say, when I'm racist, that usually means I have nothing better to say, so I'd ignore that, and stop fighting, very pointless.
Actually, that was not a smart thing to say, when I'm racist, that usually means I have nothing better to say, so I'd ignore that, and stop fighting, very pointless.
By ivanskaterxD5 on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:19PM
It was smart, since you took the time to reply to it, idk im just so mexican
It was smart, since you took the time to reply to it, idk im just so mexican
By I am Shatting Bricks on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:28PM
[img]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k608/lolwut18/pancakes.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k608/lolwut18/pancakes.jpg[/img]
By rabkcA larimdA on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:45PM
PhysX is a fucking douche okay. Half of my levels were removed by him, the levels I actually TRIED to make. The ones he didn't delete were just me being a troll or practicing new things. He takes time to delete levels people work hard to make instead of deleting the 500 million kill jb levels or any stolen levels. So fuck you PhysX, You fucking cunt.
PhysX is a fucking douche okay. Half of my levels were removed by him, the levels I actually TRIED to make. The ones he didn't delete were just me being a troll or practicing new things. He takes time to delete levels people work hard to make instead of deleting the 500 million kill jb levels or any stolen levels. So fuck you PhysX, You fucking cunt.
By I am Shatting Bricks on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:45PM
so I was with my brother we were watching porn. we both started getting hard-ons that when we started rubbing each other. I started sucking him off, he did the same with me. He ejaculated in my mouth the feeling was amazing. that's when I jumped up on top of him and started taking a shit on his chest. he began to vomit. I still continued. He screamed. I screamed. [i]We all scream for ice cream.[/i]
so I was with my brother we were watching porn. we both started getting hard-ons that when we started rubbing each other. I started sucking him off, he did the same with me. He ejaculated in my mouth the feeling was amazing. that's when I jumped up on top of him and started taking a shit on his chest. he began to vomit. I still continued. He screamed. I screamed. [i]We all scream for ice cream.[/i]
By rabkcA larimdA on Dec. 9th, 2011 9:48PM
@I am Shatting Bricks, there are more important things going on right now. Just don't.
@I am Shatting Bricks, there are more important things going on right now. Just don't.
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:01PM
Pancake guy, You're DevilGang, so shut the hell up, I can tell, RabkcA larimdA, Maybe if you stopped calling him a cunting douche, he'd leave your levels be.
Pancake guy, You're DevilGang, so shut the hell up, I can tell, RabkcA larimdA, Maybe if you stopped calling him a cunting douche, he'd leave your levels be.
By rabkcA larimdA on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:04PM
He removed my levels long before this. Around 2-3 weeks ago.
He removed my levels long before this. Around 2-3 weeks ago.
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:11PM
[img] <a href='http://cheezburger.com/View/5542167552'><img class='event-item-lol-image' src='http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/12/9/08177e49-bb53-46d6-9e80-52c1fe057ef3.jpg' id='_r_a_5542167552' title="Kid, I think it's time you get a life." alt="Kid, I think it's time you get a life." /></a>[/img] DevilShyt, And all people who don't like TJF, deal with it.
[img] <a href='http://cheezburger.com/View/5542167552'><img class='event-item-lol-image' src='http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/12/9/08177e49-bb53-46d6-9e80-52c1fe057ef3.jpg' id='_r_a_5542167552' title="Kid, I think it's time you get a life." alt="Kid, I think it's time you get a life." /></a>[/img] DevilShyt, And all people who don't like TJF, deal with it.
By HPIronman on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:15PM
Excuse me, but, you act like the root of all Happy Wheels's problem's are caused by PhysX. Stop and think. PhysX obviously has a set of guide lines for deleting levels. If he plays or sees something that goes against those guidelines, he probably [b]HAS[/b] to delete it. Secondly, you say he doesn't do his job correctly? Well, I don't know about you, but I don't spend 24 hours every [b]DAY[/b] on Happy Wheels, and I'm sure that PhysX doesn't either.
Excuse me, but, you act like the root of all Happy Wheels's problem's are caused by PhysX. Stop and think. PhysX obviously has a set of guide lines for deleting levels. If he plays or sees something that goes against those guidelines, he probably [b]HAS[/b] to delete it. Secondly, you say he doesn't do his job correctly? Well, I don't know about you, but I don't spend 24 hours every [b]DAY[/b] on Happy Wheels, and I'm sure that PhysX doesn't either.
By HPIronman on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:23PM
yeah, but can you [b]IMAGINE[/b] how hard it would be to constantly be trying to monitor [i]every[/i] level that someone posted? [u]IT WOULD BE A LIVING HELL.[/u]
yeah, but can you [b]IMAGINE[/b] how hard it would be to constantly be trying to monitor [i]every[/i] level that someone posted? [u]IT WOULD BE A LIVING HELL.[/u]
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:36PM
HP, That's common sense, people think he's a robot, or super-computer, but really, he's an average Joe from Europe. Yes, I said that.
HP, That's common sense, people think he's a robot, or super-computer, but really, he's an average Joe from Europe. Yes, I said that.
By rabkcA larimdA on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:36PM
Maybe Jim could have gotten someone a bit more reliable.
Maybe Jim could have gotten someone a bit more reliable.
By Safety on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:38PM
Maybe, he could hire more people, one person isn't enough, not even two, so shut your mouth. Have you noticed PhysX has been gone? Look at his last post, then look at the one after, he listened to me, and stopped taking shit from all you children.
Maybe, he could hire more people, one person isn't enough, not even two, so shut your mouth. Have you noticed PhysX has been gone? Look at his last post, then look at the one after, he listened to me, and stopped taking shit from all you children.
By HPIronman on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:40PM
@Safety, I know it is, it's just that no one else wants to think about it, they just want to be selfish and blame their problems on others. All i ask is that people [i]think[/i].
@Safety, I know it is, it's just that no one else wants to think about it, they just want to be selfish and blame their problems on others. All i ask is that people [i]think[/i].
By HPIronman on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:44PM
@ Gore Productions, You should use the XML code and paste it in a note on your computer then save it until the levels start to save properly.
@ Gore Productions, You should use the XML code and paste it in a note on your computer then save it until the levels start to save properly.
By Udie on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:46PM
HPI and Safety, I don't think you understand where I'm going with this. That'd be stupid if he was a computer, first of all. Like, why would he be a computer? Second of all, if he's doing something, then why is it every level I play in top rated has something to do with Justin Bieber, or just uses the default blue block? You know, it's pretty much a moderator's commitment to play the game, and get rid of levels that are polluting the game. And we simply either, one, don't have enough moderators, or two, PhysX isn't doing his job good enough. Probably both, if you ask me. And I have thought out what I have said, and I know what I am saying. I am saying to you, is that. When I go play Happy Wheels, I expect at least the top 5 or 10 levels for top-played for today. To be semi-decent. That's not much to ask for, I mean, really. [i]Maybe in the next update, he'll recruit more moderators.[/i]
HPI and Safety, I don't think you understand where I'm going with this. That'd be stupid if he was a computer, first of all. Like, why would he be a computer? Second of all, if he's doing something, then why is it every level I play in top rated has something to do with Justin Bieber, or just uses the default blue block? You know, it's pretty much a moderator's commitment to play the game, and get rid of levels that are polluting the game. And we simply either, one, don't have enough moderators, or two, PhysX isn't doing his job good enough. Probably both, if you ask me. And I have thought out what I have said, and I know what I am saying. I am saying to you, is that. When I go play Happy Wheels, I expect at least the top 5 or 10 levels for top-played for today. To be semi-decent. That's not much to ask for, I mean, really. [i]Maybe in the next update, he'll recruit more moderators.[/i]
By HPIronman on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:50PM
@ Udie, Yes, but, you should act like he has to make EVERY JB kill level just magically [i]disappear[/i].
@ Udie, Yes, but, you should act like he has to make EVERY JB kill level just magically [i]disappear[/i].
By Udie on Dec. 9th, 2011 10:58PM
Technically, yes. Last time I checked, a moderator makes [i]some[/i] type of commitment. And PhysX asked, probably knowing what he was getting himself into. Now the question is, why is it, that when I play, I see 'Knife throw' levels in the top-played for today? It's pretty much bullshit, if you ask me, duplicates after duplicates being pumped out. And really, PhysX isn't doing much to stop it, at least, that's what I've noticed. Let's look at today's top-played, shall we? [b]LIGHTSABER[/b] [b]MY FIRST SWORD THROW[/b] [b]Black ops Tomahawk[/b] [b](nova) knife throw[/b] [b]Rope Swing ULTIMATE![/b] [b]throw blades[/b] Seems to me, like there's only one DECENT level, there. Do I rest my case? Or do you want to defend for PhysX, for his nothingness?
Technically, yes. Last time I checked, a moderator makes [i]some[/i] type of commitment. And PhysX asked, probably knowing what he was getting himself into. Now the question is, why is it, that when I play, I see 'Knife throw' levels in the top-played for today? It's pretty much bullshit, if you ask me, duplicates after duplicates being pumped out. And really, PhysX isn't doing much to stop it, at least, that's what I've noticed. Let's look at today's top-played, shall we? [b]LIGHTSABER[/b] [b]MY FIRST SWORD THROW[/b] [b]Black ops Tomahawk[/b] [b](nova) knife throw[/b] [b]Rope Swing ULTIMATE![/b] [b]throw blades[/b] Seems to me, like there's only one DECENT level, there. Do I rest my case? Or do you want to defend for PhysX, for his nothingness?
By codyvidal on Dec. 9th, 2011 11:04PM
The blue screen bug seems to occur on all web browsers. Hopefully you'll find a solution for it soon. It's still playable. All it takes to fix temporarily is a quick refresh.
The blue screen bug seems to occur on all web browsers. Hopefully you'll find a solution for it soon. It's still playable. All it takes to fix temporarily is a quick refresh.
By gabe6792 on Dec. 9th, 2011 11:07PM
@ all being being jerks Im not saying hes the best moderator but PhysX does keep the site clean of porn and other junk like that. He can delete your account and ban your IP adress if you are being a douche and posting porn so think before you post.
@ all being being jerks Im not saying hes the best moderator but PhysX does keep the site clean of porn and other junk like that. He can delete your account and ban your IP adress if you are being a douche and posting porn so think before you post.
By HPIronman on Dec. 9th, 2011 11:15PM
rabkcA, No, you and Udie DON'T understand, yes it should have some commitment to be a moderator, but you shouldn't use PhysX as a mere figure for your anger. You should be mad at the percentage of users who are so stupid that they fall for the little tricks and shit levels that have the words "Rate Five!" on them.
rabkcA, No, you and Udie DON'T understand, yes it should have some commitment to be a moderator, but you shouldn't use PhysX as a mere figure for your anger. You should be mad at the percentage of users who are so stupid that they fall for the little tricks and shit levels that have the words "Rate Five!" on them.
By Udie on Dec. 9th, 2011 11:24PM
That has nothing to do with PhysX filtering out the levels that involve simplicity, and very little time. If PhysX spends JUST 20 minutes a day, on HW, i'm sure the place would be better. Yes, the people that make the whole, 'Raet 5 for sequel' queers are out there. But PhysX has to do something about it, that's when he is failing at his job. You see the top-played levels for today? That shit has to stop, maybe if someone does his job. And some people do their levels. Then Happy Wheels might be a better place. And everything would be A-Okay. [img]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k608/lolwut18/thumbs.jpg[/img] There still is [i]no[/i] excuse for why there are those levels in the top-played. If you'd love to explain why, then go right ahead. Oh wait, it's because people for for the 'rate 5' shit, you're right. But who should be doing what about that? [i]PhysX should be deleting levels that are like that, the shit disturbs me.[/i]
That has nothing to do with PhysX filtering out the levels that involve simplicity, and very little time. If PhysX spends JUST 20 minutes a day, on HW, i'm sure the place would be better. Yes, the people that make the whole, 'Raet 5 for sequel' queers are out there. But PhysX has to do something about it, that's when he is failing at his job. You see the top-played levels for today? That shit has to stop, maybe if someone does his job. And some people do their levels. Then Happy Wheels might be a better place. And everything would be A-Okay. [img]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k608/lolwut18/thumbs.jpg[/img] There still is [i]no[/i] excuse for why there are those levels in the top-played. If you'd love to explain why, then go right ahead. Oh wait, it's because people for for the 'rate 5' shit, you're right. But who should be doing what about that? [i]PhysX should be deleting levels that are like that, the shit disturbs me.[/i]
By problemman on Dec. 9th, 2011 11:30PM
i figured out the problem when you play yo should remember 2 put your qaulity in the middle and put particles to a minimum then it would work
i figured out the problem when you play yo should remember 2 put your qaulity in the middle and put particles to a minimum then it would work
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